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What's your stance on the Michael Vick situation?

  • Personally I wouldn’t want to play on a team with him and if I was one of the lineman I wouldn’t feel very motivated to protect him.  However the NFL is a business that requires employees with a certain set of skills which nobody can deny Vick has that not many others do. 

    I can’t stand Vick and wish they hadn’t let him play again but he he broke the law paid for it end of story.

    Nobody can tell you what your limits are but you. NOBODY.

    It’s a legal system, not a justice system. Your confused because there’s no justice in it. No "eye for an eye". Good things happen to mean people. Bad things happen to sweet people. Every once in awhile the dog slips his collar, and the bad guy gets his big wake up.

    and he did his time. I’m a big dog lover and have had a dog continiously most of my life. That part of me wants to see him thrown in a hole with 10 hungry, rabid pit bulls. As a retired Detective I can’t help but feel that he was found guilty, punished and paid for his crime as set forth by the laws that were in place at the time. People that have comitted far worse crimes walk away scott free every day…look at Congress. Hopefully he has learned his lesson and will again become a role model. Everyone deserves a second chance. The saying I’m hearing around though is "Vicks an Eagle, watch your Beagle!"

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  • In my profession, one felony and you might as well start looking for a new line of work.  (You have to pass a background check, or in some cases, a security clearance.)
  • And the type of felony will have an effect on which kinds of jobs are "off-limits" 
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Am I not making that point clear?

You seem to be saying that there is no such thing as rehabilitation, retribution or forgiveness. I have and do work with ex cons. Several. I hired them. I respect them and treat them just like any other employees have. My May employee of the month spent 14 years in the state pokie for murder. I hired him two weeks after he got out. He’s raising a fine family and works extremely hard for them.

 I’m not saying that you don’t have a right to your opinion, it just differs with mine.  Legal right? Yes, it may be. Good business? Not in my case.

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And Friend of MuchAdo!

If people didn’t get away with things quite so easily then people would work harder to not make a mistake like killing 40 or 50 dogs. Making money illegaly and running a gamble and dog fighting ring.

Its funny that you would say that he has the right to start over, what if he was a rappist or child molester and he wanted to live near you or work with you? I bet thats a whole different set of personel rules for everyone.

And a corporation refusing to employ  a convict is not bigotry, its there legal right and good business.  

Sorry… Vick really pisses me off.

Jason (Jayguana)

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keep this in mind!

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And Friend of MuchAdo!

In my opinion, this is just wrong. In our legal system, *(And I’m speaking of the US of Fucking A here), ex cons are supposed to be just that. EX cons. They still have the right to try to fit into society just like anyone else. OK, in some cases, some of their rights are revoked, but in general, they owed society a debt that was determined by our elected officials and have paid that debt to the satisfaction of the courts. This means that they no longer owe anything. They are free. I would consider any team that refused to hire Vick based soley on his court record instead of on his football record to be just as bigoted as one that wouldn’t hire him because his skin is blue. Keep in mind that I absolutely do not like the man. Not because he just got out of prison. I don’t like him because his opinions and beleifs and attitude grate me deeply. I don’t think he has any remorse for his crimes. I do think he could still be a great quarterback. 

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And Friend of MuchAdo!

Your average company will not hire a felon, especialy violent felons. There are very few jobs in the US that pay over 20,000 a year that are not concerned with criminal records. The NFL should be held to these standards,

The NFL does hire anyone. If you dont want to believe that thats your decision. Although that is part of the problem, they wear blinders and so do most fans. That truth is they cant hold themselves to those kind of standards because there would be a lot of star atheletes suddenly out of a job, and nobody wants to see a bunch of 20 something millionaires out of a job. I know I would be crushed!

This goes for all sports, baseball players have lied to federal grand jury’s with out punishment also.

If your kid killed a neighbors cat for fun would you tell them its no big deal and act like nothing happened??

"Ok God… Let me have it!"

Jason (Jayguana)

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"Ok God… Let me have it!"

with my wolfie.  Whatever he says goes!

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  •  That does not mean wha tis legal.  Look it up.
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  •    That’s how a free market economy works. If someone produces a product you don’t like, you don’t buy it. In this case the product is entertainment (ie football).

       I encourage anyone who disapproves of Vick’s actions (or character) to boycott any game that he’s participating in. That’s the only real weapon the public has to voice our disapproval to his employers. If we can create enough of a financial disruption, they may reconsider their choice of hiring him. This goes for both home and away games, but especially the ones in Philadelphia.

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    It was "What’s your stance on the Michael Vick situation?"

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  • the original question was what do we WANT to see happen.  My opinion is that he got off too lightly and with no remorse.  That’s MY opinion.  So basically, it is legal for him to work, but I think the Eagles could have gotten better. 
  • Sergeant and Fire Team Leader, X-ray company, DOMREC.  And now a pusher too!  UNdead Knight!  The Patchman – get your DOMREC patches from me!
  • I don’t want to agree with you, but I have to agree with you. Not just because you are the FDO, but because you’re right. Michael Vick deserves to be hired by any team in the NFL. He qualifies for the job, or at least for the chance to earn his job.

     If you don’t agree with the sentence he received, (and served) you can take it up with the lawmakers and court system. I, for one, think that his sentence was just barely on the fair side. I’ve seen convicted murderers get less time.

     That being said, I’m glad that my favorite team, the Steelers, didn’t pick him up. I can appreciate the skills the man had, but I think he will have a hard time overcoming the fan disapproval and will create a distraction for the rest of the team. That, and I just don’t like the man. 

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    And Friend of MuchAdo!

    I completely agree with you.

    as a dog owner who wants to express some "law" on our friend I want make him pay forever.

    I completely agree that living under the law set forth by our forefathers and such, we must follow those laws and punishments. Alas, we also have the right to express our pissed-0ff-ed-ness at what the general populous feels is just another celebrity getting off  lightly.

    and all us Junkies appreciate that you give us a place to express those feelings and the fact that you sometimes need to bring us back to reality with the truth of the matter.

    Thanks, your dedicated Junkies

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    on a psychology / philosophy – induced tirade, but I figured that if I started throwing out things like Decarte & Neitzche and the complexity of indvidual actions in a dynamic social martix, heads might start exploding. Plus it would have ended up being like 15 pages long. I tend to get on a roll when I’m ranting.

    I have to agree with what Scott said up above though. We live in a society of established laws and punishments, and the social contract dictates that we all agree to abide both by those laws and those punishments.  

    **UNdead/GirlCo – We’ll eat your brains and look good doing it.**

    Look guys, we are a society of laws. Vick broke the law. Society punnished him, gave him a sentence, which he served. He has paid his debt to society. Now he is an ex-convict seeking employment. While the vast majority of ex-cons can’t earn multi-million-dollar contracts, Vick can.

    We don’t get to pass judgement on what kind of job he should or shouldn’t have. This is a capitalist society, and the free market rules. Vick has skills that certain employers want. He is free to do business with those employers. 

    What he did was horrible and despicable, but, society assigned him a punishment for that crime. He did his time, and that’s that. Hence, he has the right to live free and pursue happiness. 

    Lastly, it is not the NFL’s job to pass judgement. The NFL is a private enterprise. To not hire Vick is akin to black-balling. He is an exceptional talent, and the only way he doesn’t wind up on a team is if the NFL franchises are in collusion to black-ball him. That’s illegal and morally reprehensible, and a slippery slope.

    And don’t give me this crap about the NFL "hiring anyone" or taking "the worst of the worse." The majority of NFL players are upstanding citizens. The NFL is here to entertain, not to raise our children, not to "set an example" and not to be some psuedo-moralistic judgement board. They have rules. If you break those rules, they have the option of letting you work your way back in. It’s a private enterprise.

    I don’t like Vick, don’t like what he did, and would love to see him have to fight a half-starved pit bull that’s been trained to shred humans on sight. That is what I think would be a punishment that fits the crime. But I don’t set punishments (and with damn good reason, as you can see), our society does.

    He did his time. Doesn’t matter if we like him or not, he has a right to seek gainful employment.  

     Who could ask for more?

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     That goes way beyond athletes. Look at movie stars versus teachers, firefighters, and policemen. And you don’t even want to get me started on how much the average American practically worships the almighty dollar. It’s a tool, not a deity.

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    I figured there’d be at least some folks saying "Well, now he can use his fame to educate people about how what he did was wrong etc etc." 

    Not that I’m horribly upset at the universal condemnation, mind you.

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     and a name of "DOG KILLER"

    That might work…..

    I like the no pads concept though.

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    but wether or not he was just saying that, i dont know. If he somehow proves he shows remorse or makes amends, maybe back. but if he comes back the pacman should be allowed in the league.

    G-Man

    "I used to be obsessed with a tv show about people acting like jackasses. I think it was called dumbass" – Earl Hickey

    Vick has proved, once again, that the NFL will take anyone, no matter how depraved, in the name of "sport". He will go back and join all of the murderers, rapists, drunk drivers, and other felons that the NFL regularly forgives. Because, you know, the sport of football needs these noble warriors. And will pay them handsomely. At least they should pay the guy, maybe $20,000 a year, which is about as much as your local humane shelter workers get (if they are paid, and not volunteers).

    I think its horrible how this whole situation turned out. He should have gotten more time in jail for what he did. And on top of that they let him back into the NFL! Its says a lot about pro atheletes and the teams that pay them. Fame in America has gotten out of hand, these people need to be held accountable for there actions not waved through the courts with a sheepish grin and an apology from the judge! I wont watch a single eagles game this year even if they make it through the playoffs to the SB. Mark Wahlberg should go there and kick the hell out of vick for even putting the uniform on!!

    Jason (Jayguana)

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    Vic has demonstrated a long-term pattern of behavior that indicates that, in his view, dog fighting is perfectly okay. A little bit of jail time is not going to change that. Not to mention what kids will take from all this. They will see a man who was given a great deal of money for having a particular talent, who used that money to bankroll this dog fighting and breeding operation, and who went right back to his high-profile life of money and fame after he was caught. The net effect? An attitude that says "who cares if its wrong, all you have to do is take a little time-out, then you can go right back to the fame and celebrity."

    Lets not mince words here folks, Vic is "ghetto" in the worst possible sense of the word. Yes, he is a very talented football player and yes, he has done the time for his crime. Unfortunately that does not make everything "all better." 

    **UNdead/GirlCo – We’ll eat your brains and look good doing it.**

  • Sergeant and Fire Team Leader, X-ray company, DOMREC.  And now a pusher too!  UNdead Knight!  The Patchman – get your DOMREC patches from me!
  • I know you love animals, especially dogs. And I also know you’re a huge NFL fan. So which side of this controversy do you fall on? Forgive him and let him back into the NFL? Ban him for life and force him to make his way in the world like an average citizen? Crying shame he left Virginia Tech after his sophomore year.

    If I haven’t already given away my bias, I think he should be banned for life. If he wants to make amends, let him do it off the field. NFL players are viewed as role models, especially by our youth. Letting him play again not only gives him back the rock star lifestyle he was accustomed to, but also gives a tacit endorsement of what he did from the NFL.

    I could care less about him personally. He’s only one man. It’s the influence he has on the rest of the populace that concerns me. I believe the NFL has sent the wrong message by allowing him to sign with the Philadelphia Eagles. The irony of it being the city of brotherly love is not lost on me either.

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