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bigun123 said: I am all for the good welfare of all living captive/beasts of burden/live stock, at the end of the day what gives us the right to be cruel, we should be thankful for the work they do, the knowledge we gain from studying them and last but not least the meat we eat so we should treat them right but to start giving them civil rights Really.........Look around PETA there are worse things to focus your energy on