Scott
NOCTURNAL - THE END

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Here you go Junkies, let's get the conversation started on what you thought of the book, and if there are things you thought should have gone differently. I'm posting this in Forums because your opinion may not be shared by other Junkies, which makes this a better place to discuss it than an email sent straight to me.

gmanvsfreeman
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G-Man

Are that you singing???

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apulrang
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1. In future volumes of the Nocturnal saga, Brian should learn enough more about the origins and history of the Nocturnals to start questioning his mission to exterminate them. it's one thing for him to have a natural emotional attachment to them because he's one of them in a way. It would be far more difficult for Brian if he started finding out how these mutants turned evil. I'm thinking decades, maybe hundreds of years of persecution by "normal" humans, leading to the Nocturnals' present twisted culture of depravity and death.

2. Okay ... I'm not hassling you about your language, really I'm not ... but I'd love to see you develop a bona-fide mentally retarded character who isn't a villain or a victim. You could have some really good, useful fun with that and make a point about how meaningful it is or is not to use terms like "retard". It's pretty clear at least one of the Nocturnals was "cognitively impaired" within the context of the Nocturnal society, but I'm talking about someone who is more or less a good guy or gal. Making it genuine and not cliched would be a real challenge, but you're a master!

Twowire
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 But the Wife did tell me to get morewould for the farplace today. :)

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gmanvsfreeman
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G-Man

Are that you singing???

G-Man

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Twowire
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 You better get after it, you've gotta a reputation to uphold!

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Rocco
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I really enjoyed Nocturnal, Thank you!  It "one" of my favorite stories of yours to date.  I think the length of this story makes it suitable to be made it into 2 books.  Areas that can be used to increase each book could be more origin info about Marie's Children, what happens to Aggie and more background on Brian.  My only criticism is the amount of physical abuse the characters endure.  Please don't misunderstand I am not saying reduce the violence........heck no!  My thinking is that even a being with the ability to heal more rapidly could not take the abuse Brian takes and still be adequately funcional.  There just isn't (in my opinion) healing time to make it believable. It just one Junkies opinion.  Again, thank you for the "fix", I am looking forward to 12/30 and am enjoying Contagious.
DaSOB
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Scott,  This was great. Intense, action packed, funny.  I like all the elements, it made for a great ride.  You're right, the manipulation of Sly is pure evil genius! It took me by surprise!  As for moving things around, you could likely move the under-the-bay portioon of the book to a second, leaving more room for further development of Marie as a character (through historical flashback) or what have you.  I'd love to hear more about Aggie too.

The end stretched out a bit and I agree that while Brian didn't close the deal on Rex and 1st born himself, he did kick major arse for his first outting as a Saviour. Speaking of, I would love to know what revenge Jebadiah was referring to (even in a biref aside before 1st Born caps him).  I think it's crappy how he dies too. He was a complete kick-ass nightmare to these people and that snake skinned scum bag's blood causes him to loose his balance in the end. THERE IS NO JUSTICE for that old dood!  First Brian plants a knife in his gut, then 1st Born! NO JUSTICE!

Great  story, CAN'T wait for at least ONE of the 5 sequels you're dangling out there you book tease!

 

David

OJ_Mathis_Wrenn
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What ever happened with Mrs. Clinton...err... I mean... Hillery and the Baby....

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SynapticJam
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Where's tard?

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silivrensf
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I noticed that quite a few people are advocating this and I've been thinking about it for a long time too. It's not uncommon for authors to give you parallel time information in subsequent books (I point to another of my favorite authors Anne McAffrey whose books overlap quite a bit). Aggie and what happens to him below the city isn't essencial to the main plot thread which is Pookie and Bryan and their escapades. That would cut a lot of pages I would bet and the saga on a whole would still work. It's also not that unusual for a book to start with a seemingly unrelated plot thread then have them overlap later on. Think about the Bryan story as an introduction to Marie's Children then in the second book we get all the history upclose and find out where the Saviors really come from. Or maybe you could release the Aggie etc. storyline as a shorter side novel in the Nocturnal Saga. :)

Nocturnal, even more than the other books has the potential for a HUGE saga with all the different kinds of monsters and the idea that there are other Saviors throughout the world. You definately have a monster of an idea here . . .



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apulrang
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... for reminding me of the "Tard's" name ... he Nocturnal I was thinking of in my post. An interesting side character, though he does sort of fit a rather standard literary / movie theme of the thickheaded sidekick for a more dominant thug. That's why I'd love to see Scott tackle a similarly-brained character with a bit more complexity and nuance.
Wolf
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we'll find out in the epilogue

WOOF, WOOF

 

Mc_B
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Mc B. It finished on a high point it was exciting had me by the short hairs from page one the notion of two books is a good idea espcially if it means getting it published Thanx again.
Mc B
DragonRiderOfPernEatenByAncestors
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killed the Jeb Savior's adopted father infront of him. It might be mention on the Wikipedea*ms* site. Gmork kicks azz on updated that thing!

The Irishman from Ohio

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MuchAdo
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I've always wanted to go to a farplace but never could afford it.  Didn't know you needed morewould to go to a farplace.

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DragonRiderOfPernEatenByAncestors
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Tard could end up helping First Born clean their family of snakes. He could be a courier of info and supplies between First and Hillary. Tard may be slow, but even Tard would get pissed if HE witnessed the betrayal by Sly.

The Irishman from Ohio

The Irishman from Ohio
DragonRiderOfPernEatenByAncestors
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and the baby get adopted by Brian's dad. I think it would be the best for all three of them. Get there hope's then kill them. I am definatly*ms* a Junkie.

The Irishman from Ohio

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Gitsh
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To make the story into two books, provide more back story on Maries Children in the 17th & 18th Century, some tales on how first born became the leader, and more story on Saviour!

 
Twowire
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 morewould than you wood think. Its a popular place though, once you get there Yule say "mayonnaise a lot of people here" :)

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Mc_B
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Mc B. Come on bro the guy is a tard what is one of the things you love about these books. The characters and their situation it practically demands someone named 'Tard'.
Mc B
Semitheo
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Whats with the dude in the wet suit? why was he 'fishing' at 3 in the am?

 

he's gotta be a nocturnal. His speaking is very labored, and mechanical. He asked them if they had been to topeka and they said no. so he said that he's from topeka....you have to be retarded not to see the connection between him and the nocturnals

 

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Wolf
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you need to listen to the last couple of chapters again.

WOOF, WOOF

 

SynapticJam
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Nicky or Nicolai if you prefer...   What was in the bag?

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MuchAdo
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The wet suit guy had an important purpose.  Think hanging on a boat waiting for his que!!!!!

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Rain
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One of your best Scott, only negative thing i can say is that i really didnt care for Bryan's reaction when he learned he was adopted, he went from normal to psycho in an instant and how he acted to his dad seems completely against his previous behavior, or perhaps that has something to do with Bryan's general anger and agression as the story moves along, perhaps something to do with his powers "getting started"?
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