Gmork
EarthCore Reading & Weekly Discussion
Junkies - The idea came up to read through one of the FDO's works and have a weekly discussion about what we've read. There was enough interest so we'll be starting with EARTHCORE. 

The book is no longer in print, so you'll either need to find yourself a copy or grab the free audiobook version through Podiobooks.com at this link or through iTunes at this link. Read below and we'll discuss when we'll start and how we'll coordinate between the book and audio versions.

Come join us on this adventure!
Belladonna420
Re: EarthCore Reading & Weekly Discussion
Let's see if we can make this a little easier...

ChapterPrint Page #Kindle Location (Bella's)Discussion Day
Prologue-41 - 2934 - 47919-Jun
5 - 930 - 72479 - 132226-Jun
10 - 1373 - 991322 - 18403-Jul
14 - 16100 - 1181840 - 222210-Jul
17 - 20119 - 1462222 - 277817-Jul
21 - 24147 - 1762778 - 336924-Jul
25 - 29177 - 2073369 - 424531-Jul
30 - 31208 - 2274245 - 43997-Aug
32 - 36228 - 2494399 - 479214-Aug
37 - 40250 - 2694792 - 516021-Aug
41 - 44270 - 2855160 - 544428-Aug
45 - Epilogue286 - 3195444 - 61644-Sep
Well, what do you know? It worked!! :)

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Belladonna420
Re: EarthCore Reading & Weekly Discussion
In reply to: BigJohn
I would like to play! I think I will be listening to the audio though. I'll start very soon, but I think I'll be able to get through the first section by the 29th. Yay!
You mean the 19th, right??

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Belladonna420
Re: EarthCore Reading & Weekly Discussion
In reply to: sotonrich
I have to say this has taken on more importance than I originally thought.

I was laid off from my job on Monday without any warning - this is the 2nd job i've been laid off from in 18 mths through no fault of my own and it's starting to piss me off.

Something like this to help take my mind of it all will be great!
So sorry to hear that!! :( I hope you find something else soon.

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exotiKali
Re: EarthCore Reading & Weekly Discussion
In reply to: sotonrich
I have to say this has taken on more importance than I originally thought.

I was laid off from my job on Monday without any warning - this is the 2nd job i've been laid off from in 18 mths through no fault of my own and it's starting to piss me off.

Something like this to help take my mind of it all will be great!
Sorry to hear dude. Hope you find a new job soon.
Shadygirl
Re: EarthCore Reading & Weekly Discussion
In reply to: sotonrich
I have to say this has taken on more importance than I originally thought.

I was laid off from my job on Monday without any warning - this is the 2nd job i've been laid off from in 18 mths through no fault of my own and it's starting to piss me off.

Something like this to help take my mind of it all will be great!
Sorry to hear that. I hope you find something soon.

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Belladonna420
Re: EarthCore Reading & Weekly Discussion
Some whatthefuckery is going on with the forums..... The link to this page has been changed from: 

/forums/earthcore/topics/earthcore-reading-weekly-discussion
to
/forums/earthcore-forum/topics/earthcore-reading-weekly-discussion

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exotiKali
Re: EarthCore Reading & Weekly Discussion
In reply to: Belladonna420
Some whatthefuckery is going on with the forums..... The link to this page has been changed from: 

/forums/earthcore/topics/earthcore-reading-weekly-discussion
to
/forums/earthcore-forum/topics/earthcore-reading-weekly-discussion
FUCKING WITCHES!!
exotiKali
Re: EarthCore Reading & Weekly Discussion
In reply to: Belladonna420
Some whatthefuckery is going on with the forums..... The link to this page has been changed from: 

/forums/earthcore/topics/earthcore-reading-weekly-discussion
to
/forums/earthcore-forum/topics/earthcore-reading-weekly-discussion
Or Kayla Meyers is messin' with us.
BigJohn
Re: EarthCore Reading & Weekly Discussion
Yes, sorry. I meant the 19th. Today. Where is the talkage? ("29" was the page to read through - my badness)

In honor of the first day of Earthcore talk, I will now put some of the characters in height order:

Connell Kirkland (6'4")
Sonny McGuinness (taller than 5'5")
Herbert Darker (5'5")

You're welcome. :)

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Belladonna420
Re: EarthCore Reading & Weekly Discussion
In reply to: BigJohn
Yes, sorry. I meant the 19th. Today. Where is the talkage? ("29" was the page to read through - my badness)

In honor of the first day of Earthcore talk, I will now put some of the characters in height order:

Connell Kirkland (6'4")
Sonny McGuinness (taller than 5'5")
Herbert Darker (5'5")

You're welcome. :)
Thank you Rain Man! ;-)

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Belladonna420
Re: EarthCore Reading & Weekly Discussion
Sooooo..... where do we start? :)

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Shadygirl
Re: EarthCore Reading & Weekly Discussion
In reply to: Belladonna420
Sooooo..... where do we start? :)
I don't know. Anyone have any thoughts on this first bit of reading?

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Catalyst
Re: EarthCore Reading & Weekly Discussion
Well i'm re-listening to the assigned reading, after having read it a few nights ago, and i must admit that Prologue-Death from Below is my one of my favorite chapters/episodes that Scott has ever come out with.

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"Darkness within darkness--the gateway to all understanding."
---Tao Te Ching

Gmork
Re: EarthCore Reading & Weekly Discussion
Ok sorry about the lateness. I thought I could post some this morning while goofing off at work and I ended up being swamped.  That's karma for ya! I'll try to post the discussion topics Monday evenings so that we can get the discussion in full swing all of Tuesday.

With that out of the way, here are some thoughts for discussion:
Prologue - Chapter 4
1) In the first couple of chapters, Sonny McGuiness is described as incredibly and insatiably curious yet he's also described as being a loner (liking to drink alone) and only truly enjoying the company of Native Americans (when he tolerated company). Discuss how a curious person can also live a life of near seclusion. Wouldn't his curiosity drive him to be around others? Or is more that his curiosity only extends to certain subjects?

2) As Sonny and Dennis the Deadhead discuss the existence of The Silver Spring, Sonny asks why Dennis is giving him this piece of valuable information. Dennis says that:
a) maybe if Sonny goes there, he'll feel what Dennis felt
b) maybe if Sonny goes there, it will scare the shit out of him the way it did Dennis
c) maybe Sonny can do something with the find
d) maybe Dennis was just drunk
Why do you believe Dennis gave this information to Sonny? Why would he want to send someone to a place that he's convinced is Evil? Is it just a case of mutual suffering (i.e. Person1: This stinks! Here, smell this. Person 2: *sniff* Ew that really stinks! Why would you tell me to smell something that stinky?!)

3) The theme of superstition is very strong in these opening chapters. Dennis the Deadhead is superstitious about The Silver Spring, calling it evil; Sonny has a lucky Hopi charm that he takes on specifically for his trip to find the Silver Spring; Sonny has a "lucky pie tin" that he uses for panning; when speaking to the local Native Americans Sonny notes that "even the kids and half breeds who don't put any stock"  in the old stories were afraid of the Wah Wahs.
What's the cause of all this superstition? Is it the absence of facts that cause this? In the case of Sonny's lucky pie tin, is the source of his superstition more akin to gambling?

4) Greed is also a heavy theme in these first few chapters - from Herbert Darker selling out Sonny, to Connell's ruthlessness, to Barbara Yakely's tolerance of Connell Kirkland's complete shift in personality and management style after the death of his wife. Discuss whether these instances are exaggerated or believable for real life situations.

5) Raise your hand if the description of Connell Kirkland taking his wife's hand at the scene of the accident and realizing her bones were broken made you squirm just a little bit.
Twainy
Re: EarthCore Reading & Weekly Discussion
OmG I have the earth core book. I'm gonna read along! Did I read there's a kindle version? Late to the party as usual ... stupid job. No AC means no sleep in the Chicagoland area this spring/summer. Happy almost hump day! Miss you all! x

I hear that my name will be mentioned in Nocturnal! Pre-order a copy TODAY!
Catalyst
Re: EarthCore Reading & Weekly Discussion
1) I think Sonny is like the hermits you read about in any epic fantasy series, he hates civilization and the people in it, but he's still curious. So as a result he is a modern day-olden way prospector.(if that makes any sense) 2) I think that Dennis wouldn't have given it to him if he hadn't asked. So more so I think that Dennis believes that Sonny could actually do something profitable but at the same time sense the evil/badness and be done with it soon enough to escape with his life. 3) This one seems obvious to me, if the land holds a sense of foreboding and it can be sensed then it would make for a suspenseful environment (not meaning just the land but the events leading to and involving its presence). As for Sonny I believe that's just part of the paranoia that develops with hermit-esk individuals. 4) In reference to the Greed involved I believe that it is completely plausible that all this and more could occur, especially if it was possibly the wealthiest vein on the planet. 5) *raises hand*

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---Tao Te Ching

JB
Re: EarthCore Reading & Weekly Discussion

1. The beautiful thing about curiosity is that it is unique to individuals. You may be curious about how something works, but not give a shit who put it together. While connecting with people may help you solve your curiosity, it may not be the way you choose to satiate your craving for knowledge. Some curious people may believe that relying on anyone else to satisfy what you are curious about is cheating (like looking up cheat codes on video games) and may never feel satisfied with someone's help. Which  may in turn cause them to shy away from people.

2. I love your analogy. "This is nasty. Try this" HAHA. I believe that validation of what he was feeling would drive Dennis to share the information. I know if I felt something like that, I would want someone to verify that I wasn't losing it.

3. I believe that people like to cling to superstitions to help them believe that they are protected against the bad and pushed towards the good. For instance, many athletes are superstitious. If a Wide Receiver wears his "lucky socks" and catches 10 passes for 200 yards and 2 TDs, those socks are going on the next game too. Clearly the socks had zero to do with his success, but belief is part of confidence, and confidence is key to success at anything. On the opposite end of the spectrum, if you have a lucky charm on you when you go somewhere dangerous and you make it out alive, you can bet that charm is going back there with you should yo have to go back.

4. Money makes the world go around. How many politicians, CEOs, etc... get caught red handed doing something terrible? You honestly think that nobody else knew about their indiscretions? They are profitable for business, so those in the know keep it quiet. The Jerry Sandusky case is a perfect example. Allegedly the knowledge of what was going on was passed up the ladder to the top of Penn State University, but the fiscal damage that would have been done if that got out caused the horrible, horrible indiscretions to be swept under the carpet.

5. HAND RAISED, Horshack style "OOH OOH MISTAH KOTTAH!!!" Aging myself with the Welcome Back Kotter reference but some will get it, and the rest can google "Horshack" Getting feelings like that when reading is the sign of tremendous writing. And tremendous writing is why we are all here on Scott's website, discussing amazing works with complete strangers.

Keep it coming. I love this!

JB

 

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JB

Gmork
Re: EarthCore Reading & Weekly Discussion

JB - I like your perspective on both the point of curiosity and on Dennis the Deadhead sharing the information on The Silver Spring. I think your assertion of Dennis wanting to verify he wasn't losing it is a succint way of putting it.

Oh my goodness! I remember Welcome Back Kotter. Only just, but still it's familiar. Showing our age indeed :)

BigJohn
Re: EarthCore Reading & Weekly Discussion
I completely agree with JB on #2. That's exactly how I felt about it.

As regards the superstition, I kinda got the impression that Sonny has been left behind by technology. He's an old-school prospector, who doesn't use high-tech tools to find treasure. He clearly has the means to live better than he does, but his innate curiosity is satisfied by a basic, down-to-earth approach to prospecting. Even so, he's found a way to exist and be relevant in the high-tech mining world. Someone still needs to find sites, and then he can sell the rights, info or location for a pretty penny.

His conversation with Dennis was not planned; it was a coincidence of two people being in the right place at the right time. Sonny clearly has trust issues, as a wizened miner who has been burned in the past might. But being around Native Americans as much as he has must have allowed some of the local superstition to rub off on him. He not only has his own personal superstitious relic, but he gets one more germane to the specifics of what he's looking for when he got the info from a Hopi.

Dennis' change in demeanor when he starts to go into the details of why he never said anything to anyone about the Silver Spring indicates just how much he was disturbed by it, bringing up these 15-year old feelings. The opportunity comes up to tell someone about it, who might have the wherewithal to actually find the place, and validate his own misgivings about the area.

I think Sonny's mysterious back story is an interesting story that will never be told. It sure begs the question about why he's a loner, but how many of us can think of a social, extroverted prospector. Not that I can think of any prospectors, really, but that vocation itself seems to attract a lone wolf. It's like the old days, back when claim jumpers could ruin a prospector's chances of eking out a meager living. You want to play this game, you better be prepared to do all the hard work by yourself. Trust no one. He seems to live by this credo.

Personally, I think Connell's reaction to his wife's death, and the complete personality reversal seems extreme and over the top. I can buy the ruthless businessman perspective, but I find it more believable if it is NOT a complete reversal of character. 

And finally, I'm raising my hand. :D

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Gmork
Re: EarthCore Reading & Weekly Discussion
BigJohn - you bring up an outstanding point. Sonny's backstory would be incredibly interesting to know but I think you're right about it never seeing the light of day. 

Regarding Connell's reaction to his wife's death, I'm on the fence. I once went through such a bad relationship that sent me to the edge and changed my personality/outlook. Took months to regain myself. I couldn't imagine my reaction to losing a loved one or even worse, a child. Connell must not have had a support system in place (other family or friends) that could bring him back from the edge. I can see how desolation could root but the optimist in me doesn't want to accept that someone could be that damaged for so long.
Gmork
Re: EarthCore Reading & Weekly Discussion
Oh and one other note for anyone interested in jumping in the conversation:
I put a bunch of topics out there to discuss but please don't feel restricted to just those topics. If there's something else that these chapters brought up that you'd like some perspective on, just post it up and join in the fray. 

Also it's not necessary to answer all the topics I posted. If you want to answer one and think about the rest or if you feel strongly about one and don't care about the others, that's ok too. Just put your thoughts down in a post and let the discussion take place!
Gmork
Re: EarthCore Reading & Weekly Discussion

Chapters 5 – 9

Here are your discussion topics for this week’s reading. Remember it’s not necessary to respond to all of them… if you want to just answer one that’s fine. It’s all about the discussion. Also any other discussion topics are welcome!

1) Angus Kool is introduced as being a genius with an attitude. Kool had earned his third Ph.D. at age 20 and was named EarthCore’s top scientist and head of research division within a year of working at the company. Mainly his attitude seems to be driven by his sense of superiority based on his intellectual achievements. He does not respect common people, stating that they weren’t smart enough to see the big picture. He does not respect his boss or his company owner. Is this justified or is he just a flaming asshole?

2) Sonny finds old newspaper articles about Jebidiah Jessup mining in the region of the Silver Spring. In the novel Nocturnal, we run across the characters of Jebidiah Ericksonm, Alder Jessup and Adam Jessup. Discuss the possible connection, if any.

3) Greed vs. Curiousity: Continuing on this theme, several characters recognize that the Silver Spring site is unusual. Sonny knows there is something not quite right with The Silver Spring find based on past reports of miners/explorers being murdered or going insane. Angus is quoted as saying, “The whole damn thing strikes me as strange. We’ve got a potential platinum deposit with no standard indicators that one should exist, and we’ve got what appears to be a world-record cave system.” The caves lead down to the main deposit chamber which is just under three miles below the surface, yet the current world’s record is just over two miles. Is it greed or curiosity that is driving Sonny, Angus Kool and Kirland to mine this site despite all the “unusualness”?

4) Kayla Meyers: We learn loads of information about Kayla Meyers in these chapters, particularly her preferred torture methods, her training specifications from the NSA, and her reason for dismal from the NSA. Knowing this information (and the fact that the majority of us here are not qualified to diagnose her) what do you think she is suffering from? Revenge? A mental disorder? A predilection for pain?

5) We learn that an identical knife like that found at The Silver Spring in Wah Wah, Utah was found in the Andes and outlined in an article in National Geographic entitled Cerro Chaltel: forgotten underground metropolis. Discuss conspiracy theories.

Belladonna420
Re: EarthCore Reading & Weekly Discussion
Angus Kool is the BIGGEST flaming asshole evah!!! Ugh... I don't think I've ever despised a character in a book more... except for maybe "Big Jim" Rennie in Stephen King's Under the Dome.

I think Connell, Barbara, Angus and Sonny are all driven by greed. Even though Angus' interest lies more in the caves than the platinum itself, he's motivated by his desire to be the 1st human to explore them. And in my opinion, it's not for the thrill, it's for the sheer need to add another accomplishment to his long list of credentials, awards, degrees, etc. that make him feel superior to everyone else. Greed - Angus Kool style.

Even Sonny, who has the most knowledge of the site and also has serious reservations about returning to the mountain, is not satisfied with his $1 million payout - he doesn't want to give up his 2%. Greedy old coot!

Kayla, IMO, is a psycho. She gets off on causing other people pain. It's not a job to her, she actually ENJOYS what she does. I have a feeling that even if people stopped paying her to do what she does, she'd still torture people, just for the fun of it.

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Gmork
Re: EarthCore Reading & Weekly Discussion
I agree with you on the flaming asshole thing with Angus Kool. I've met people who are so bright they think on another level and in some of them, it affects their ability to interaction socially. However, this doesn't seem to be Angus' problem. He seems to knowingly goad people because he feels some sort of expectation that he should be placed above every one else. Something tells me if he just got laid he'd lighten up a bit.... but what girl/guy (being equal here) would get close to him without giving him a swift kick in the balls!?!?

Even having read this book before, I never realized how the balance of geed and curiosity was at the crux of these characters decisions. And I can't say that faced with the same situation, that I wouldn't do the same thing. If I knew something was trouble but had a burning desire to know more about it or get my hands involve with it, you darn tooting I would take the chance. I suppose it's one of those things where the perceived risk is less than the desire to quench curiosity.  "Perceived risk" being the operative phrase here ;)

Gmork
Re: EarthCore Reading & Weekly Discussion
Remember: This week we are reading chapters 10 through 13.

ChapterPrint Page #Kindle Location (Bella's)Discussion Day
Prologue-41 - 2934 - 47919-Jun
5 - 930 - 72479 - 132226-Jun
10 - 1373 - 991322 - 18403-Jul

I'll be posting topics for discussion later tonight so we can discuss first thing tomorrow!
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