Scott
DESCENDANT: FDO™ needs US Navy consultants

Alright, Junkies -- who's served in the Navy? And the Coast Guard? I'm working on the prologue for DESCENDANT (sequel to ANCESTOR) and I need some info.

The littoral combat ship USS Freedom conducted sea trials on the Great Lakes before shipping off to San Diego.  Does anyone know if this is a common practice? How feasible is it for me to put a prototype warship in the Great Lakes? Also, what kind of crew could I expect? A seasoned crew of Navy vets, or a crew of vets with civilian engineers, and training cadets from the Naval Service Training Command?

The premise here is a fast US Government response to the biohazard shout-out from Jian that happened in ANCESTOR. DESCENDANT will, literally, pick up right where ANCESTOR left off. I'm trying to guage what the response would be, and estimate the government's isolation factor while they sort out fact from fiction. 

 

 

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That was some excellent information!

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Coyote
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Well I have a cousin currently serving in the navy, a friend in both the Airforce and Army, and another cousin in the Marines. So if you have any other questions, I should be able to relay them to the proper authorities.
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The Navy would send a Disaster Preparedness Operations Specialist from Ft Leonardwood, MO (usually a Sea Bee) to keep personnel equipped for bio threat. This was done before when Marines entered Iraq. The helos deployed would be HH-60H "Rescue Hawk" (Hellfire missle and door mounted mini guns) probably from (HSC-84) "Red Wolves" they have on alert status. SEAL's with SWCC support (DEVGRP) would be sent on C-17's. If you want variety of forces replace SEAL's with USMC SOCOM Det 1. U.S. Army would also send personel from there Medical Research Institute of Chemical Defense (USAMRICD). If "keep a lid on it at all costs" USCG would deal with outer perimeter containment, "Other Forces" would handle rest. Pulling a few key instructors from RTC/NTC recently there from Sea Duty (relatively current in skills) and known to commanders would be plausible.
DragonRiderOfPernEatenByAncestors
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does anyone know how fast and how much weight one of the USCgaurd helicopters can fly with?

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Ganderboy
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Here is a link to a CBC story that should help you FDO.

 

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2006/03/15/coastguard-060315.html

DragonRiderOfPernEatenByAncestors
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The Irishman from Ohio

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Jayguana
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So when a 1 in a billion event happens there is going to be a  prototype warship just around the corner? I love Scotts writing and would never question his knowledge and experience in writing a book but doesn't that seem overly convenient? Like I said at the start sorry if I offend by questioning this little plot point, but it reminds me of a Crichton scenario.

Neverless, I cant wait to read it!

 

Festina Lente (Make Haste Slowly)

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Unalive
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i wouldn't worry about plausability.

warships are in the water and ready prior to Jians call because:

1. west to east winds have polluted at least lake huron. the ships are useing some radiation scrubbing tech to clean the water

2. there are also patrols to keep civilions off lakes untill decontamination acheived

3. many suspect terrorsts for detriot. military presence in michigan is gonna be heavy

richno3
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 reason for a strong milatary presence in the Great Lake region after the demise of DEEEEETROIT. So I don't think there would be any kind of conflict for a "special" navy vessel to be on the waters of the lakes. You got my vote, and I can't wait to read Decendant. More please....

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eddiejc1
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I don't know what island our FDO based "Black Manitou Island" on, but I checked a map of Lake Superior and there's 

an island that looks a lot like Black Manitou, but it's called Isle Royale. Isle Royale is U.S. soil, and the ferries that go 

out to her come from the American side, but geographically the island is closest to Canada.

 

What I'm wondering about is this. If the ancestors cross over the ice over to Canada, the U.S. military can't just go over 

there unless they have permission from the Canadian government. Will this play a factor in Descendant, or will the action 

take place in the Upper Peninsula?

JunkieGym
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Well, this may be way too late for you, but I thought I would throw it up here anyway since I haven't seen or heard anything regarding Descendant in a while.  For what it's worth...

I served on board the USS Theodore Roosevelt CVN-71 right after it was commissioned.  The ship had just undergone Sea Trials and I was onboard during Shock Trials.  Sea Trials would have the ship's full contingent of men on board along with civilian engineers as did Shock Trials.  The crew itself would consist of seasoned vets along with any new crew assigned to the ship, but no cadets of any kind.  At least from my experience.  Cadets only came on board during the summer as a type of internship.

Shock Trials for my ship were conducted in the Atlantic off the coast of Cuba somewhere.  Shock Trials consist of three "shots" or explosive charges set off in the water.  Each being closer to the ship with the third being the closest.  Civilian engineers have equipment everywhere monitoring the impact to the ship with each shot.  It's purpose is to see what damage is sustained in a "near miss" scenario.  We had a raffle for the last shot and the winner got to actually detonate the explosives.  Picture of the third shot is here:  http://www.zazzle.com/uss_theodore_roosevelt_cvn_71_poster-228839774610080892

As you can see in the picture, no aircraft were on board at the time.  We were in full battle stations during each shot.  This means we were in condition Zebra.  Condition Zebra means every door, or "hatch" if you will, is to be shut and locked down.  The idea being if the hull is breached for any reason the water would only be able to fill up the compartments immediately exposed to the breach as all X-Ray, Yoke, and Zebra doors are water tight when closed. 

If I remember correctly, the shots were done over about a 6 week period with about 2 weeks in between each shot for the engineers to study the data they gathered.  I also remember Jean Dixon predicting the TR would break apart on the third shot and sink. 

To answer your other questions:  No arms would have been on board at the time.  Should something go wrong during either trial, you certainly don't want armament getting mixed into the fray.  Plus, you wouldn't want to lose any of your bombs and missiles should something really go wrong.  That could easily be millions of dollars lost, then think about the cost of trying to recover all of that from the bottom of the sea or in your case a lake.  To see how armament can complicate matters, just Google the fire on the USS Forrestall when a missile somehow fired while planes were parked on the flight deck.  A chain reaction took place as plane after plane blew up along with any armament on them, a lot of people died that day.  Video here:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chuiyXQKw3I

You know what might be cool for your book though would be to arm the USS Freedom with what the US Navy is really wanting to put on their ships - Rail Guns.  See the article here:  http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/12/10/navy-railgun-shoots-bullets-electromagnet/  Heck, if you're going to take down some unknown biological freak of nature, you might as well blow it up real good!! 

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DragonRiderOfPernEatenByAncestors
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 Officaiely rail guns to be publicly used has been pushed back about five years I think. But that does not mean rail guns are not being used now. If you look into the work of Gabriel Khron's work with creating the first industrial use of negative resisters for the Navy and GM, power sources for rail guns are a reality. The work Khron had done was proven back in the 1930's-1940's. Nuclear power plants are no longer required for fast recharging power sources for weapons systems...of course I am bias when it comes to Rail Guns.
The Irishman from Ohio
Dan652
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One_shot_wonder
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Hi Scott,

Just saw this one, so I may be a bit late.

My dad used to commission the reactors for nuclear subs in the UK. They would sometimes take the subs into the Scottish loch's for trials.

Generally, it's a mix of experienced navy guys (to look after the secret stuff) & private contractors (to look after/test structure & propulsion)

Some fun stuff that happens are doors 'locking' shut at depth due to the pressure, depth charging (just to give the sub a bit of a shake to make sure everything is screwed down)

Look forward to the book.

Matt
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