jeffbearer
Big Problem with the Science in Episode 4

Hey Scott, and all.  I didn't see this mentioned on the Contagious forum, and I didn't see a search so I might of missed something.

In episode 4 you reveal us to the machine that is in orbit droping little nasties on us.    In order to isolate the story to the Michigan, Indiana, Ohio areas you said that it was in a geostationary orbit which just happened to be over that guys oak tree.   Of which I thought was a fantastic tool to get us to look up at the probe.

However, there are two flaws, a minor one you could over come, but  physics really fucks up your story in a bad way.   You simply can't have a geostationary orbit over Northern Indiana.  This blows this shit out of the premise of why the infections are isolated to this area.

First off the minor error.  A geostationary orbit is way the fuck out there. just a tad more than 50 miles. They are actually just over 26,000 miles up.  The International Space Station orbits at 217 miles and it orbits the earth once every 90 minutes.   In order for the period of the orbt to take 24 hours,  it has to be much, much much higher.  It would be easy to fix that and just change your number in the book.  Also, and I'm not sure about this next part, but "Experts" on internet seem to say that the lowest height that would be considered orbiting is 150km or 93 miles.

Geostationary orbits can only be achieved on the equator.   An orbit has to go around the diameter of the planet,  If you wanted to circle around the planet at 41 degrees north latitude you would need constant thrust to keep you there.  Otherwise you would just spiral down and crash into the earth.  Any orbit that goes over 41 degrees north will also go over 41 degrees south.   And the probe would see most of the planet in it's orbit.   It would need another reason to pick Michigan/Indiana/Ohio as the beach head.

Polar orbits would be most efficient for the probe becase it would be able to map the entire planet every few days and pick the absolute best spot where no people would know until the star destroyers are deployed.

I suppose the probe could have a alien propulsion system that can keep it over Michigan. But it does not seem very efficient.  What is the reaon why you would expend extra energy to stay over Michican, when you could orbit the whole planet, or do a geostationary over the equator for free?

A thought is to put it inside the atmosphere,  make the thing boyant so it can float like a baloon.  However it's going to blow in the jetstream and would also need lots of energy and a particular reason to stay over Michican.  This method would make it less problematic getting the capsules to the surface without them burning up on entry at orbital speeds. 

If the probe is indeed going to be in orbit,  It's orbit is going to take it all over the world unless you move the setting of the whole trilogy to Brazi, Congo, or Indonesia where a geostationary orbit will be parked over some guys palm tree.

All in all it boils down to you need a new reason why this thing likes the midwest so much.

Jeff Bearer

- Junkie since Earth Core Episode 5 

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Space_Mouse
Re: Big Problem with the Science in Episode 4
OK. Realm of possibility... I guess I am just saying that the time frame seemed like a stretch and popped right out at me in the beginning of the book. Seems like the Achiles would be even worse than the knee. As far as the original topic the orbital, if Bill DeSmedt was an advisor then that's good enough for me. He makes some pretty wild stuff sound convincing.
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Re: Big Problem with the Science in Episode 4

Where did that website and radio program come from and why haven't I heard about it before?????  Now that's what I'm talking about - real beer!!!!!

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Re: Big Problem with the Science in Episode 4

It's an alien probe thingy trying to kill us all! Why can't it just hang in orbit where ever the hell it wants?

It is fiction after all.

 

 

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Wolf
Re: Big Problem with the Science in Episode 4

We all know how the FDO can alter time. Who's to say he's not from the future, writing history books to sell as fiction so he can make enough money to fix his time machine, which got a little busted up when he landed on a cow in the middle of a field somewhere in northern Michigan? 

 

 WOOF, WOOF

 

OJ_Mathis_Wrenn
Re: Big Problem with the Science in Episode 4

that is part of my signature.....

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Re: Big Problem with the Science in Episode 4

the science of our forefathers has advanced to far beyond them that

if they were to be here now they would see magic. 

 

if you told them it possible to have wireless communication, they would 

say it was not possible because of their rules and knowledge of their time.

 

so the FDO is bringing in new ideas that make us stretch our imagination.

Clarke, Asimov, Norton cae up with ideas that scientist of the time said

was not ever going to happen. 

 

Clarke designed our satelite systems and we still use them.

 

its a book, Suspension of disbelief and the Magnanimous FDO will

set it all right.

 

 

 

 

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Scott
Re: Big Problem with the Science in Episode 4

Jeff -- no problem bringing the heat to the story. Junkies are always welcome to get in there and tear it apart. I'm clearly held to a higher standard than a lot of scifi writers, because I use modern-day settings. Throw a typical intergalactic spaceship in the mix, maybe a few aliens that magically can talk like us, and presto -- no more complaints. Make the main characters the same as you and I, however, watching cable and knocking back pizza, and now everything needs to be much more "realistic."

However, check out the book "Unconventional Flying Objects" by Paul R. Hill. He's a former engineer for NASA and the Air Force. He spent twenty-six years gathering observational data about UFOs, and formulated a theory as to their reported performance. As he says, UFOs obey, not defy, the laws of physics. 

It was all I could do to keep up with this book, but you should have a much better time understanding the math considering your knowledge base. I wanted to base the alien Orbital on a logical, reasonable premise for acceleration, hovering, energy source, etc., and used this book for that basis. 

Give it a read and then email me to let me know what you think (scott@scottsigler.net) or post it here. 

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Re: Big Problem with the Science in Episode 4
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